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Не подскажете ли, чем Begreifen отличается от Verstehen и как это различие передать в русском переводе?

Мизес (Epistemological Problems of Economics):

We want, therefore, within the procedure directed toward the comprehension of the meaning of things, a procedure of which the sciences of human make use to separate Begreifen and Verstehen. Begreifen seeks to comprehend the meaning of things by discursive thought; Verstehen seeks the meaning through a total empathy with the total situation under consideration.

Судя по ссылкам на Дильтея, это имеет отношение к герменевтической терминологии...

Date: 2002-03-11 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dp.livejournal.com
Ïî-ìîåìó, ìîæíî îáîéòèñü áåç îòñûëîê ê ãåðìåíåâòè÷åñêîé òåðìèíîëîãèè.
Begreifen - âîñïðèíÿòü, ïîñòè÷ü. È â ñëó÷àÿõ âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ ïðîñâåòëåíèÿ è îçàðåíèÿ (ñð. ïðîñòîðå÷. "âðóáèòüñÿ", "âúåõàòü", "ïðîñå÷ü") ÿ áû ñêàçàë "Begreifen".
Verstehen - ïîíÿòü, óñâîèòü. Îòíîñèòñÿ ê òîìó, ÷òî äàåòñÿ òðóäîì, óñèëèåì, ðàññìîòðåíèåì ðàçëè÷íûõ ñòîðîí ïðåäìåòà.
Âðîäå áû òàê.

Date: 2002-03-12 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dhr-eigen.livejournal.com
Íåìåöêîãî íå çíàþ, íî â íèäåðëàíäñêîì, äëÿ begrijpen è verstaan - èìåííî òàê. Íó, è ïîíÿòü óñëûøàííóþ ôðàçó òîæå áóäåò - verstaan. À â ñîöèàëüíîé ðåêëàìå äëÿ "çàéöåâ" òèïà "òû ÷òî, íå ïîíèìàåøü, ïî÷åìó ïëîõî åçäèòü áåç áèëåòà" - òàì begrijpen.

Date: 2002-03-12 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ratri.livejournal.com
Ñîâåðøåííî ñïðàâåäëèâî - íà "îçàðåí÷åñêèé" ñìûñë óêàçûâàåò è ñàì êîðåíü - greifen - ñõâàòèòü, óõâàòèòü. verstehen - ýòî ðîäîâîå äåðåâî, begreifen - áîêîâàÿ âåòâü. Õîòÿ Äóäåí òîëêóåò begreifen òàêèì îáðàçîì: die Gruende verstehen, warum etwas so ist. Íî Äóäåí íàì íå óêàç :)

Date: 2002-03-12 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kunstkamera.livejournal.com
begreifen èìååò ñëåäóþùèå êîííîòàöèè:
- ïîíÿòü íå ïîñòåïåííî, à ðàçîâî è ìîìåíòàëüíî
- äîëãî íå ïîíèìàòü, ïîòîì ïîíÿòü.
- êàê-òî íåóëîâèìî ñâÿçàíî ñ "èìåòü", òî åñòü èíôîðìàöèþ ñåáå ïðèñâîèòü
verstehen - íåéòðàëüíî "ïîíèìàòü".
ß áû ïåðåâåëà begreifen êàê "ïîñòè÷ü" - ïî àíàëîãèè ñ "äîñòè÷ü", èëè - âîñïîëüçîâàâøèñü îòñóòñâèåì ñîâåðøåííîãî - íåñîâåðøåííîãî âèäà â íåìåöêîì - verstehen ïîíèìàòü, begreifen ïîíÿòü.

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