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[sheb.livejournal.com]

Никогда не понимал разницы между efficiency, efficacy и effectiveness. Кажется, по-русски её вообще не передать.

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[aztech.livejournal.com]

à ìåæäó òåì, ðàçíèöà åñòü, õîòÿ ðàçíèöà ìåæäó efficiency and effectiveness äåéñòâèòåëüíî äîâîëüíî èíòóèòèâíàÿ. Ñ efficacy ïðîùå - ýòî ýôôåêòèâíîñòü â ñìûñëå äåéñòâåííîñòü, ñèëà. Íàïðèìåð, äåéñòâåííîñòü ëåêàðñòâà. Õîòÿ òî æå ëåêàðñòâî ìîæåò áûòü effective... Íî â ðàçãîâîðíîé ðå÷è ñëîâî efficacy óïîòðåáëÿåòñÿ êðàéíå ðåäêî - ëþäè â îñíîâíîì îáõîäÿòñÿ äâóìÿ äðóãèìè.
À ìåæäó íèìè ðàçíèöà ìîæåò áûòü òàêîé: ÷åëîâåê - efficient. He is an efficient administrator. Ìåðà - effective. He is an efficient administrator and he usually goes for effective solutions. Ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê ÷åëîâåêó effective óïîòðåáëÿåòñÿ ðåäêî, ïî-ìîåìó.
Ìîæíî ëè ýòó ðàçíèöó ïåðåäàòü ïî-ðóññêè? À íóæíî ëè? Åñëè ðàçíèöà ìåæäó òðåìÿ ñëîâàìè òîëüêî â èõ ãðàììàòè÷åñêîì óïîòðåáëåíèè...
íå çíàþ, ïîìîãëè ëè ýòè ìîè ìûñëè âñëóõ...

[sheb.livejournal.com]

Ïîìîãëè, ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå.

Ìîæíî ëè ýòó ðàçíèöó ïåðåäàòü ïî-ðóññêè? À íóæíî ëè?

Îáû÷íî íåò, ñîâåðøåííî ñ âàìè ñîãëàñåí, íî áûâàåò (êàê ó ìåíÿ ñåé÷àñ), ÷òî ýòè ñëîâà óïîòðåáëÿþòñÿ ðÿäîì: ...the primary purpose of the panels was to supervise the administrative efficacy and efficiency.

Âîò òóò-òî ÿ è âñïîìíèë, ÷òî íèêîãäà íå ïîíèìàë ðàçíèöû :)

õììì...

[aztech.livejournal.com]

òî åñòü îñíîâíîé öåëüþ ñîçäàíèÿ ýòèõ ñîâåòîâ áûëî îñóùåñòâëÿòü íàäçîð çà ýôôåêòèâíîñòüþ è äåéñòâåííîñòüþ íåêîé àäìèíèñòðàöèè...
÷òî ìû èìååì â äàííîì ñëó÷àå? êàêàÿ ðàçíèöà? efficacy - ýòî ðåçóëüòàòèâíîñòü äåéñòâèé ýòîé àäìèíèñòðàöèè.
efficiency - íå÷òî âðîäå ñëàæåííîñòè ðàáîòû, ýôôåêòèâíîñòü â ñìûñëå îòëàæåííîñòè àäìèíèñòðàòèâíîãî ìåõàíèçìà. :-))
enjoy! you do translations for a living?

Re: õììì...

[sheb.livejournal.com]

Used to. Now only occasionally. Extra money.

Thanks!

any time

[aztech.livejournal.com]

no sweat. always happy to help if I can.

[ska-o.livejournal.com]

Ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî îðèãèíàë ïèñàë êàêîé-òî íàïûùåíûé êîðïîðàòèâíûé áîëâàí... Îñíîâíîé öåëüþ ýòèõ ñîâåòîâ ÿâëÿëñÿ íàäçîð çà àäìèíèñòðàòèâíîé òàâòîëîãèåé :-)

[sheb.livejournal.com]

Íå, îí íå êîðïîðàòèâíûé, îí íåìåöêèé ñóäüÿ, à ýòî åù¸ õóæå :)

[nine_k]

À åù¸ åñòü áîëüøàÿ ðàçíèöà â óïîòðåáëåíèè â êîíòåêñòå âðåìåíè, òèïà "äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñ...".
 "this decision is effecive since 01-Mar-2002" íèêàê íåëüçÿ çàìåíèòü effective íà efficient.

[sheb.livejournal.com]

Íó ýòî äà.

[at.livejournal.com]

 áèçíåññ-øêîëå ðàçíèöó îáúÿñíÿþò òàê:

An efficient manager does things right. An effective one, does the right things.

[at.livejournal.com]

Êàæåòñÿ, áèçíåñ ïèøåòñÿ ñ îäíîé "ñ".

À îôèñ ñ îäíîé "ô".

Êàêîå-òî äàæå ïðàâèëî íà ýòó òåìó åñòü, åãî âñïîìíèëè, êîãäà ïûòàëèñü ïåðåâåñòè "òðàô(ô)èê"

àãà

[aztech.livejournal.com]

ÿ ýòî òîæå ó÷èë :-) õîòÿ äàæå çäåñü ðàçíèöà âñå ðàâíî èíòóèòèâíàÿ. Íî ñïàñèáî, ÷òî íàïîìíèëè ýòó ôîðìóëèðîâêó, ÿ åå, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, óæå çàáûë

[tanyas2882.livejournal.com]

Русские люди разве могут быть эффективными? "Семь навыков высокоэффективных людей" - режет глаз. Переводчик был иностранец, наверное.