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Перевожу стенограмму Парада Победы 1945 года.
Не могу разобраться, как перевести "сводные полки фронтов" в предложении "Сводные полки фронтов - вот те, кто форсировал Днепр и Одер...."
от вариантов в мультитране глаза разбегаются( пока склоняюсь к composite interservice front-line regiments
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Date: 2010-05-19 03:37 pm (UTC)2. Сводное подразделение — временное подразделение, формируемое из личного и офицерского состава других подразделений, т.е. в данном случае это — полки, специально сформированные из личного состава различных подразделений некоего конкретного фронта для участия в Параде Победы.
В данном случае корректный перевод будет: "combined regiments of (all) the fronts". Ещё встречается термин Joint Regiment.
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Date: 2010-05-19 03:51 pm (UTC)а если речь идет о
"сражениях на всех фронтах" - тогда уже front-line, я правильно понимаю?
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Date: 2010-05-19 04:05 pm (UTC)Front line
The Forward Line of Troops, or FEBA (Front Edge of Battlefield Area) is a term used by most armed force services worldwide.It is a battlespace control measure that designates the forward-most friendly and hostile forces that are presently on the battlefield during an armed conflict or war; whether it be regular infantry or reconnaissance. It can also identify the forward location of covering and screening forces. Normally the FLOT is placed before, beyond, or at the forward-most edge of the battlefield. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_line)
и
Front (military)
A military front or battlefront is a contested armed frontier between opposing forces. This can be a local or tactical front, or it can range to a theater.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_front)
Т.е. front line это непосредственное место боевого соприкосновения войск противника, в то время как фронт это в данном случае - театр боевых действий: сражения на фронтах.
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Date: 2010-05-19 04:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-19 03:48 pm (UTC)IMHO...
Date: 2010-05-19 05:08 pm (UTC)Quote:
Vatutin and Konev forced crossings of the River Dniepr, on which the Germans had been expecting to form their defense line for the winter. Having established their bridgeheads, Soviet troops poured across...
Atlas of 20th century warfare
Richard Natkiel
Gallery Books, 1989 - 256 pages
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The events described in this story by military journalist Ivan Noskov date back to September 1943, when the Soviet armies forced a crossing of the River Dnieper.
Soviet Military Review
Красная Зведа, 1976
, etc.
Re: IMHO...
Date: 2010-05-20 07:07 am (UTC)Re: IMHO...
Date: 2010-05-20 07:52 am (UTC)In the case of a coordinated forced river crossing, especially in the presence of a determined enemy, a thorough reconnaissance, ... It appears that the exercise described by Lieutenant Harding was a coordinated forced river crossing.
The Military engineer
Society of American Military Engineers - 1934
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...casts grave doubt on the adequacy of our standard river-crossing means to make possible the successful supply and support of infantry in a forced river-crossing.
Infantry journal, 1941
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In making his decision for the forced river crossing, the army commander was guided by the existence in the offensive zone of a deeply echeloned enemy defense, well prepared in an engineer sense.
Army operations
By Oleksiĭ Ivanovych Radzievskyĭ, United States. Foreign Broadcast Information Service, United States. Joint Publications Research
1985
228 pages
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Four regiments in his brigade were required to produce twenty-five volunteers each for the crossing. Sedgwick's advance into Fredericksburg in the early morning of May 3 rendered the forced river crossing unnecessary.
Union Sixth Army Corps in the Chancellorsville Campaign: A Study of the Engagements of Second Fredericksburg, Salem Church And Banks's Ford
Publisher: McFarland & Company (September 19, 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0786425210
and so-o-o forth..
:)
ISBN-13: 978-0786425211
Re: IMHO...
Date: 2010-05-20 08:01 am (UTC)Или вообще offensive river crossing, не?
Я могу много написать.
Переводчики такие переводчики.
Re: IMHO...
Date: 2010-05-20 08:06 am (UTC)Re: IMHO...
Date: 2010-05-20 08:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-20 03:13 am (UTC)говорят combined allied troops
шо-то такое
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Date: 2010-05-20 06:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-20 07:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-20 07:16 am (UTC)В случае с коневым, это не союзные войска - ВС одни.
took тоже не говорят. просто crossed вне зависимости от способоа пересечения. Хоть по обычному мосту, хоть по понтонному или на плотах.
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Date: 2010-05-20 07:20 am (UTC)просто привела расхожий пример, в котором встречается словосочетание "combined troops" - и оно больше на слуху, чем другие варианты
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Date: 2010-05-20 07:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-20 07:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-20 07:24 am (UTC)Там же наверняка фраза "парадный расчет сводного полка"
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Date: 2010-05-20 07:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-20 07:43 am (UTC)