Аналоги поговорки?

[vappu.livejournal.com]

Вопрос не совсем о переводе, это меня любопытство мучает :). Если по-русски говорим "в Тулу со своим самоваром", то на аглийский это переводим как "В Ньюкасл со своим углем". А что в других языках/странах говорят в тех же случаях?

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[je.livejournal.com]

Bringing water to the ocean.
Bringing wood to the forest.
Bringing sand to the beach.
Selling snow to Eskimos.
Taking owls to Athens.

[vappu.livejournal.com]

Спасибо. Меня, собственно, именно географически привязанные реалии интересовали. Вот в греческом языке есть ли насчет сов и Афин?

[dashaathens.livejournal.com]

именно так на греческом и звучит)) Κομίζει γλαυκά εις 'Αθήνας

[sumlenny.livejournal.com]

в немецком есть.

[vappu.livejournal.com]

А что в немецком есть про какой-нибудь немецкий город?

[sumlenny.livejournal.com]

немецкий язык очень уважает античную традицию, и поэтому с немецкими городами только очевидные парафразы: "пиво в мюнхен" и пр. Но нормальный немец, конечно, скажет в нейтральной ситуации про Афины и сову.

[dashaathens.livejournal.com]

на греческом- привез сову в Афины)))

[vappu.livejournal.com]

Спасибо!

[sych-mohnonog.livejournal.com]

У турок -- "в мусульманском квартале улитками торговать".

[weird-penguin.livejournal.com]

По-польски - носить дерево в лес (nosić drzewo do lasu).

Кстати, в статье, указанной ниже, упоминаются изречения других народов:

FR - porter des chouettes à Minverve, porter de l’eau à la rivière
ES - vender miel al colmenero, portar aigua al mar (Catalonia)

Source - http://www.cafebabel.pl/article/22898/nosi-drzewo-do-lasu.html

[vappu.livejournal.com]

деревья в лес и воду в море - это не то, что я "ищу". Меня интересуют выражения типа "со своей иконой в Ченстохов" :)

More than you ever wanted to know but still..

[weird-penguin.livejournal.com]

TO CARRY COALS TO NEWCASTLE

To take material of any kind to a place where it abounds, or to give to another that of which he has plenty.

The origin of the saying is unknown. The form is evidently English and has been in use by the English people since the sixteenth century but the thought has been expressed in some adage everywhere for untold ages. The old Rabbis declared that when Moses first demanded that the children of Israel should be delivered from Egyptian bondage he wrought miracles in attestation of his right to prompt obedience as a messenger of Jehovah, but Pharoah ridiculed him and said that miracles proved nothing in Egypt as the magicians there were masters of the art. Then he asked, "Art thou bringing straw to Eprayne?" and calling some children from school bade them perform some wonders in magic before Moses, which they did. Pharoah's wife, the Rabbis tell us, also wrought miracles. Having thus disproved Moses' claim as he supposed, Pharoah asked Moses whether any man could be considered wise who "carried muria to Spain, or fish to Acco"; whereupon Moses answered by repeating proverb for proverb saying, "Where there is a market for greenstuff, there I take my greenstuff."
Aristophanes, the comic poet of Greece, who lived over three hundred years before Christ, spoke of "Carrying owls to Athens" where the image of the bird of night was stamped on the coins and where it was held sacred.
It was common during the middle ages to speak of any superfluous act or bestowment as "carrying indulgences to Rome."
One of the strangest forms that the proverb has ever taken is that used by the natives of Africa speaking the Oji language. Knowing that mushroom gatherers are in the habit of looking for a supply of the fungus on anthills where it is frequently found growing, they laugh at any one who gathered mushrooms elsewhere and foolishly put them on such hills for safekeeping. They therefore speak of men who seek a market for their goods in a place where similar goods abound, or who give to others that of which the recipient has an abundance: "Nobody gathering mushrooms deposits them on an anthill."
Perhaps the most humorous form that the proverb takes is that which has been adopted by the French who use the expression—"To jump into the water for fear of rain," thus presenting to the mind a picture of a man who fearing that he will be overtaken by an approaching storm flees to a river or lake and leaps therein so as to be under cover when the rain begins to fall.
Disraeli tells us in his Curiosities of Literature that the saying was borrowed by the English and applied to themselves. "It may be found," he declares, "among the Persians: In the 'Bustan' of Sadi we have Infers piper in Hindostan— 'To carry pepper to Hindostan.' Among the Hebrews, 'To carry oil to the city of olives'; a similar proverb occurs in Greek."

Scr1pture References: Gen. 33:8,9; Exod. 36: 5-7; Matt. 13:12; 25: 29; Mark 4:25; Luke 6:38;8:18:19:26.

"He betook himself to the town of Ephraim, twenty miles north of Jerusalem and five northeast of Bethel, on the margin of the wilderness of Judea. Ephraim is unknown to fame. It was situated in a wheat growing district, and the Jews had a proverb, 'Carry straw to Ephraim," much like our 'Carry coals to Newcastle."— David Smith, A.d. 1866, In the Days of His Flesh.

"Proverb literature testifies to a universal abundance of that class of gifts which provoke a 'thank you for nothing.' 'Coals to Newcastle' is our national expression but for such superfluous presents the Greeks had many a mocking adage."—London Quarterly Review, July, 1868.

The antiquity of proverbs: fifty familiar proverbs and folk sayings with annotations and lists of connected forms, found in all parts of the world
Dwight Edwards Marvin
G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1922 - 329 pages

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